In this episode, Sunny Ray sits down with his longtime friend Miles, co-host of the show Sovereign Men, for a candid conversation recorded the day before Miles' 15th wedding anniversary. The two reconnect after years apart to talk about marriage, Bitcoin, and building a life with low time preference. Miles shares how he met his wife in a club and the simple rituals, like phone free hotel stays, that keep their relationship strong. The conversation moves into how Bitcoin reshapes spending decisions, from pricing purchases in sats to using Bitcoin as an emergency fund rather than a spending account. They discuss traveling through Southeast Asia with kids, the pull of consumer culture, and a story about a Bitcoiner building a 170 acre multigenerational family property that gets both men rethinking what legacy really means. Throughout, the pair return to a simple idea distilled years earlier from interviewing long married couples: respect, mini missions, and fun as the three pillars of lasting relationships and, by extension, a well balanced life.
Two old Bitcoin friends reconnect to unpack marriage, money mindset, and building a multigenerational legacy.
You've got 15 years of marriage coming up. What's the secret?
We're honestly not big on the classic weekly date night thing. When the kids were younger we did daytime dates since I start fading by nighttime. Now we protect time away together, like one night in a hotel with a sauna and ice bath, phone off, just focused on each other. I think I'm lucky, I genuinely like my wife. When guys complain about their marriage it usually sounds like they just don't like their wife anymore. The fix is spending more time together and having fun.
How did you two actually meet?
We met at a robotics conference in Toronto. I was working for a company called Quanzer, and she was working for our distributor down in Colombia at the time. She came up for training and ended up getting a lifetime of it instead. Within the first month of dating we started interviewing every couple we could find who had been together twenty plus years, just to learn their secrets.
What did that survey of long married couples teach you?
We distilled it down to three things we still remind each other of today. First is respect, which sounds obvious but was clearly what held those long marriages together. Second is mini missions, having little shared projects or goals, whether that's a vacation, a class, or building something together. Third is simply having fun. A lot of couples forget to just enjoy being together, and that's the one that keeps a marriage alive.
How do you balance low time preference with actually enjoying life now?
I do price big purchases in Bitcoin now, so a flashy car can feel like twenty or twenty five Bitcoin, which is crazy. But I'm not skipping coffee to stack sats either. Bitcoin can program you into hoarding to the point it hurts your family life. I want more Bitcoin next year, but I also want to spend on holidays and experiences with my kids now. It's a constant balance, not an all or nothing decision.
Has Bitcoin changed how you think about traveling and spending time with your kids?
People assume I sold my Bitcoin to go traveling around Southeast Asia with my kids, but I haven't touched it. What changed is the mindset Bitcoin gave me, knowing that if things really went wrong I could sell it, which is a much better worst case than something like living in a camper van. That safety net let me actually take time off and travel instead of grinding endlessly.
What's stuck with you from hearing about a Bitcoiner building a multigenerational family property?
It really got me fired up. He bought 170 acres outside Austin, felt financially stretched, but was thinking generations ahead, building houses for his kids and a holiday spot by a lake for future family reunions. I'd never thought that far ahead, usually just about a house for me and my own kids. Now I'm actually considering a multigenerational family holiday home so our cousins stay close the way my kids are close now.
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